A Place to Exhale, With Yogi, Teacher and Co-Owner of LPY Yoga, Lorraine Shedoudi

In this week's episode of Let Perfect Burn, I sit down with Lorraine Shedoudi— a yogi, a yoga teacher and the co-owner of LPY Yoga with studios in Lexington, Woburn and Burlington, Massachusetts. One of Lorraine's greatest passions is her Gratitude Adjustment— a 12-week training program for one's brain and heart that she created after the death of her mom, and a diagnosis for her young son. Above all, Lorraine seeks to cultivate a safe place to land, and the opportunity to exhale.

A graduate of U.C. Berkeley and Boston College, Lorraine’s career in counseling lead her to work in the fields of substance abuse and suicide prevention. Lorraine was always drawn to the places where it felt scary and dark, where we, as human beings, get lost.

In her day-to-day job as a substance abuse counselor, Lorraine’s physical and mental well-being began to suffer. It was then that yoga became her lifeline. She found she could still support people in the dark and scary parts of their lives, but in an environment where she could also thrive.

In her work, Lorraine asks us to remember, that even in our darkest moments, some things are working, even if it's just your breath, or the sun shining or running water or a hot shower. So that gratitude becomes something you can anchor to when your ship is in a brutal storm.

Lorraine reminds us that change, and transformation isn’t always lovely and wonderful, but often awkward and messy. She reminds people that it can feel like you are walking through fire. And Lorraine asks us to consider, “What if, instead of offering some trope to someone suffering, we hold space, learning about what they lost and what is still alive in them?”

Some highlights in this Episode from Lorraine:

" You know, it's not like I always walk in with joy and light.  There are days when I think, "let's just land". That's where we're the safest, when there's not a lot being spoken about. Just that place to feel like we exhale."

" In the yoga industry, I think transformation can get mispackaged.  And I try really hard not to talk about transformation as this always beautiful thing. It's awkward, it's messy, it's challenging death, and that feeling of something dying before it's reborn is really hard."

" That internal space is where we can realize that suffering is universal. And in that space, we can hold each other, until, there is room to hold ourselves."

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Transcript

Tara Beckett: 0:23

Hi, I'm Tara Beckett. And I'm so glad you're back to let perfect burn. My interview today is with Lorraine she duty, a yogi, a yoga teacher, and the CO studio owner of lpwa Yoga. In my interview, I'm hit by how Lorraine reminds us that change. And transformation isn't always lovely and wonderful, but often awkward, messy. She reminds us that it can feel like we are walking through fire. And Lorraine asks us to consider what if, instead of offering some trope to someone suffering, we hold space, learning about what they lost, and what is still alive in them. Lorraine Hey,

Unknown: 1:25

yay, Hi, I'm so glad to be here.

Tara Beckett: 1:29

So Lorraine, I hated yoga forever. And then I came to your class. And I became obsessed, because all of a sudden, I found this teacher who showed up in this amazing, authentic way. And it was athletic. It was kind of it was refreshing and soul inspiring. And there was an energy you built in the room that I said, Wait a second, it's not Yoga I dislike it's the idea of yoga that I think sometimes teachers can come with and that I just couldn't click into. So thank you. You converted me. And I would love to know what was your journey to finding this path?

Unknown: 2:24

Yeah, thank you so much. That means a lot i i do feel like I get obsessed with what it means to show up and find those connections that let us put down all the things that even bring us to yoga. I was somebody who was in sports a lot as a kid. And it felt like there was competition everywhere. It was sort of a smallish town small schools. And I think maybe there was that not good enough stuff that pervaded I had an amazing mom and really great family. But I think that in that small little community, it felt like there was a lot of striving and sort of pushing. And so yoga was one of those places where I came in, I'm like, Ah, it's so nice to just be enough. And to feel strong, and powerful, and still soft and steady. And so I think that combination of things, is why I became obsessed, you know, that feeling of like, yes, it feels really good to be in the strong physical body. And I think, you know, I also went to an all girls high school. So body stuff was always there too. And in yoga, I felt like it was less of an issue. Like I really got to feel embodied instead of about a body. And I think I tried to bring that to practice for myself, and then two classes, and it's all imperfect, I feel like I'm still working on it. And now it's more about a little bit of self compassion as I look at my kids and hear their internal voices come out to so I think when you and I met, it was really feeling that grounded sense of strength and connection and being able to be okay, no matter what was swirling within or around us.

Tara Beckett: 4:17

Like, what was your training? And was this your profession before?

Unknown: 4:21

That's a great question. So I moved to the east coast for graduate school, and I got a master's degree in counseling psychology. It's actually a Master's in Education with a focus on counseling psychology. So I worked in the fields after graduate school, and I worked in substance abuse primarily. And then I worked in the research field as well. And I was always drawn to those places where it feels scary and dark, and where we get lost. And working in the fields of substance abuse was a lot. There was not a lot of funding a ton of need for what We were doing, and it felt really easy to get lost. And I think I felt like my unhealthiest. When I was in grad school, there was, again, that push of, you know, eight o'clock classes, and I wasn't eating well. And so there was all these things that ended up bringing me to yoga and feeling like, I'm so much more alive there than I am. When I'm at work, I'm on at work. But I felt like I was holding a lot of other people's stories and trying to make things better in a world where I didn't know what that actually meant, because it felt like we were face to face with suffering. And so I loved that, because it got us deep, quickly, like there was no, you know, dancing around the issues. We were there, and we knew what we were working on. But so yoga became my lifeline when I was a substance abuse counselor. And that just kept sucking me back into feeling healthy. And to remembering what it feels like to enjoy life isn't work, it was a lot of like, what gets in the way of enjoying life. And then I found a place where I'm like, Oh, I feel alive, I feel healthy, I feel happy. And so I just kept going more and more toward that direction until I took a yoga teacher training. And that group, it was 60 people in my training, they asked five people to teach for their studios. And I was one of them. And so I was while I was at my full time job, you know, kind of squirreling away to find yoga things all the time, until I had a meeting with my boss, and he said, You know, I don't think your head's in the game anymore. And I said, it's not, you know, my head was definitely in yoga taught at 6am and 6pm, while working full time in Cambridge, so I would take the train, teach a class change, go to my full time job, go back to the yoga studio, teach a class take the train home until I was just spent. So when I got an offer to manage a studio, it felt like that's it. This is the stuff that's where I want to be. So I still feel like there's a little bit of a pole in what I want to do with people who are in those places where it feels like life is really scary. And there's not much of a lifeline. And then I get to do yoga and still work with you know, where we all strive to be healthy and happy and supported. So yeah, now it's full time yoga and running studios.

Tara Beckett: 7:25

It's funny that you were talking about, you're drawn to the dark places. I remember, I had gone through a miscarriage and I had just completed, like the DNC to remove the fetus. And, you know, I was finally clear to go back to working out and I just was thinking to myself, I need yoga with Lorraine, you know, I need her energy. And I just remember you came over to me, and you assisted me. And I just remember pouring tears, right? And it was like, you could sense it, there was something about your energy that you could feel the dark places and be there for someone, you know, whether it's in the Substance Abuse and that track, but even moving over to yoga, you still are helping people tremendously.

Unknown: 8:21

Yeah, it's interesting, I think that it's such a tricky place as humans who feel so much, you know, to never know what somebody is walking in the door with. And the same thing I'm, you know, it's not like I always walk in with like, joy and light, you know, there are days when it's like, what are we here to do, and like, let's just land and I think that's where we're the safest when there's not a lot being spoken about. And just a place to kind of feel like feel like we exhale. Because parenting taking care of elderly parents just being humans, there's such a commonality, even if our the things we're experiencing is different. I think it feels so nice to just know that we're not the only ones in this ship that is often in the storm. Yeah. And so I think that's why in teaching, I like to find that idea of an anchor, like something that keeps us here, no matter what's kind of rocking our little boat in the in the storm of life. So it's interesting to be able to feel the dark and know that there's light and some days they sort of you know, it's like that symbol of like, we need both. Sometimes one outweighs the other and we're just trying to find our way back to enough of each one

Tara Beckett: 9:43

I'd love to talk to you about your the gratitude project. Oh, yeah, yeah. And because I was thinking about it and because I found training in quotes through my childhood of kind of a knee jerk reaction to gratitude, if that makes sense, especially as a perfectionist, yes, I would always talk about how grateful I was and push down. Like you said, the light in the dark, I always presented the light, right? It's coming at you like, seven. And I am trying to balance out that, whether you call it dark or yes process, but that I can feel grief and gratitude simultaneously. And I just would love you to speak about the project and what you've discovered in that project you created.

Unknown: 10:35

Yeah, it's one of my favorite things in the whole wide world, because so I had a really, you know, all of us have our seasons that feel like they are challenging and trying, and we're not sure how they're gonna go. So I had a year, I think it was 2017, where my mom was diagnosed with cancer. And so I knew that I was going to be one. They live on the West Coast, I'm on the East Coast, I'm really close to my family. And the distance always felt like one of those things like, Am I doing it right? Like, should I be physically there if I love them as much as I do. And so the VA diagnosis was one of those things where it felt like holy hell, I know, I'm going to be walking through the fire, and I don't want to do it alone. And I have issues with my sister. She's the oldest, I'm the youngest. And I think even just saying that there's that dynamic of the kid who moves away, and you know, has a blissful life and the oldest who stays behind and takes care of the parents, especially in the situation. So I knew that was gonna kind of come to a head. So I got a therapist. And it almost didn't even matter who the therapist was, I just needed a warm body and a chair, who I could like, pour things out, too. And my first session, the therapist was incredible. And she said, You know, I lost my sister before I could resolve issues with her. And I think we're drawn to each other for a lot of reasons. And so she was with me, and prepped me every time I flew home, which was a lot that year, my mom wasn't doing well, I'd fly home, and I two kids. And so it took a lot of juggling, and on that six hour plane ride, there was a lot of mental preparation. Through my therapy sessions, it was a lot of meditation and working on the dark sides that come up in the fear and old issues of maybe not feeling seen or loved. And so that whole year was really just walking toward the fire and feeling like it was okay if you're imperfect, when you're there, there's no perfect when there are so many personalities and people and emotions. And so we just got good at creating some space. And one of the things that helped me the most, when I would go there, I got to be a little bit of an observer. So when something came at me, so if it was that like little kid who felt unseen or unloved, my therapist helped me just kind of watch it, instead of being part of the dynamic, the dynamic of needing to be loved, you know, like so there was enough space to do all the things and from that year, being super present, when my mom was dying, and right there when she passed and able to connect well with my sister, and we work together through all of it. My mom has a huge family. And so we planned this ceremony that she would have been proud of and days that we felt grateful for. And it was amazing to feel like something I was so afraid of came together so beautifully. It wasn't that all the things were fixed. He was just able to move through in a way that felt like I could feel my feet on the ground. I could feel when my heart would race or feel like it was breaking, or it was just so real and present. And I wasn't as afraid as I thought I'd be. And so that started the idea of like, wow, this meditation stuff works, having support works. And then later that year, so my mom died at the beginning of 2018. My son was diagnosed with type one diabetes. And it was one of those things where we went to the you know, checkup to figure out what was going on. And the doctor said, you're going to need to go straight to children's don't even go home. I can call you an ambulance. If you don't feel safe driving. I'm like, we'll be fine. My husband came we went straight to Children's Hospital. And they just like, we walked in and they're like, it's so good to see you. We'll take care of everything. We'll teach you everything you need to know you'll spend the night and I remember laying in you know that tiny bed next to Adam's bed, feeling so goddamn grateful that I was in children's and knew what was going on. There were so many people on other floors and other beds, other moms who were in the same place with a very different lack of answers. We had so many answers so many resources. We weren't the only ones. And so that marched me forward with this idea of even when our hearts are raking and we're not sure what to do. There's room to feel supported, and grateful and wise, even when you're just completely lost and scared. So from that year, I kind of looked closely at what was working, and what was challenging. And so gratitude is really used as a tool so that we don't get sucked into like, this is awful. I'm in children's hospital, it's horrible. What's what's this going to mean for the future? It felt like what my brain got to do was, I'm so glad these nurses are so skilled, I'm so glad my kid is right here next to me, I'm so glad my husband took the youngest and is going to get him to preschool. And so it felt like I wasn't sucked into that drain of despair. It was like, Yes, we did buy support. And so gratitude can feel sort of sticky for some people, or it can feel like toxic positivity, we really want it to be just a way to remember, even in our darkest moments, some things are working, even if it's just your breath, or the sun shining, or running water or a hot shower, you know, those basic things where it's like, oh, there's something I can anchor to. So it brings us back to that. And then we use meditation, so that it feels like I'm just gonna learn how to feel my emotions to sit to watch without so much reactivity. And so those are the two main tools. And then we weave in other stuff, you know, support from community, self compassion, flow, and being able to find, you know, the things that light us up again, with creativity. So that's my project, it's generally a 12 week session where we have weekly check ins, so that we get to think about meditation and gratitude as practices. And then we share what's going on and how it's feeling where things are sticky, where things are easy. And the wisdom of the group is really my favorite part. And so that's what it looks like. And that's where it came from. So that it feels like it can encompass all the moments of challenging, wonderful and one isn't better than another, we need both. And so we generally start at checkins with a live meditation. And then we do some coursework to keep training our brains and feeling like we have what we need when stuff hits the fan, or even when things feel like life feels really great at this season. So that all things are welcome.

Tara Beckett: 17:23

I am remembering something, I might be paraphrasing, but from yoga class where we just started laying on the ground, and it's like just laying on this ground. There's so much going right at this moment. And that struck me as I am breathing. I am here, right? I am athletic today, I have the strength to parent in a really tough time. And so that broke my idea of gratitude. That it was it didn't have to be that toxic kind of positive. I had to be fake, right, I had to put up a front. But instead it felt like, oh, noticing, right, and that was so different. And I hear you and that a diagnosis came for my son. And I needed something at the end of every day to really ground us. And I just started to say to him, you know, the, you know, the light in you I see. Right. And I love you are so loved. And the third one was, you are enough just how you are. And it was this way in which that's how we would close our Snuggles. And it just made me feel like no matter the absolute shit show of the day and how much pain we were working through. I just came back to he's my light, you know, and we're just gonna keep going. But yeah, it was it was a yoga lesson from you. So

Unknown: 18:56

that that is beautiful. It was really interesting. I did a 21 day meditation challenge just with people who wanted to sign up and someone said, I feel really behind. I'm not keeping up I'm not doing and I said, Alright, so your homework is go to a place where you can see someone you love. Maybe they're sleeping, right? Because sometimes when they're rushing around, it's hard to feel like Oh, I love them. So go spend it tiny moment with your love. And just soak it in. And that idea of when they're at peace or at rest, we can remember that it does feel worth it. And you know, I think some days I'm like, this is worth it right? So much work. So those moments, I love that at the end of the day, there's that reminder of like, Oh, I see your light. And I love that we get to do this together and your love just as you are how incredible. And so the next growing edge that I have is a 21 day self compassion challenge Finding out, okay, so it's so it's so funny, I feel like and I was, you know, doing all the literature putting everything together. And one of the things a woman who really does a ton of the research with her name is Dr. Kristin Neff. And on her website, it says you might feel like it gets harder before it gets easier, you'll start to notice all the places where you didn't have self compassion, maybe is a little one or in your life. And so it can come up like warning, you know. So as I'm going through everything, I'm like, Oh, it hit it hit yesterday. And I was like, Oh my gosh, there are a lot of places where it feels like, I just wanted to push and keep pushing. And it's just that pattern, that it's so much easier for me to look at somebody that I love and say, Oh, you're enough, you're beautiful, you're wonderful. It's all going to be okay. Whereas then I'm sitting there and like, is it gonna be okay? Can somebody tell me that it's gonna be okay, you know? Yeah, then that internal voice has to really get trained. And I also realized, I'm less compassionate with my husband, because it's almost like he's an extension of me, are you? So I'm like, you can't, you know, act like that. Like, come on. Keep going. You've got this. So it was really just one of those things of like, careful what you wish for. Because, yeah, like when you wish for strength, you're forced to be so strong when you wish for patients, all the things that make you impatient are right there. Yeah, your nose.

Tara Beckett: 21:35

I'm remembering before I made a decision to go to the hospital for depression and anxiety. I was trying this like outpatient program to just see if I could, you know, stay home. And I just remember, like the intake. They were like, what's wrong? And I had the flood of shame, right? Like, shame, and I wasn't ready for it. And I didn't know how much I hated myself for what I was going through. And so it was so crazy. Because I would never say to anyone else, what you're doing is shameful. Or you don't deserve treatment or help. Or, Oh, you're such a bag of like spoiled goods. Right. But that voice Yeah, was right there. And that was a big, you know, it's something I still deal with of like, what's wrong with you that you couldn't sort of keep it together? And then the other voice is saying, Wow, I'm so glad you went through the fire, like you said, you know, so self compassion is tough.

Unknown: 22:45

Oh, it's a lot. Right. And I know it's true. So there are a couple of stories that come up for me, kind of from Buddhist texts, and one of them is the one about the second dart or the second arrow. Do you know that one? I don't. Okay. So, you know, the story goes, the Buddha was talking and he said, when when something happens to you, it's inevitable. That's the first start, you know, things will happen, people will die. The days are challenging, there'll be darts coming at you from every direction, the thing you can avoid is the second dart and that's your reaction to what you feel. So let the feeling be there without us throwing the second dirt at yourself. For example, when I'm tired and drained, it's like, oh, what's the matter with you? Why are you so tired and drained instead of when if if you came to me and said I'm so tired? Oh, don't worry, just lay down. You've been doing a lot. It's okay. Well, we'll take care of it with some rest, right? Instead of me saying Lorraine, it's okay. Just rest. It's one day you'll be fine. Right? My internal was like, suck it up. Keep going. What's wrong with you? Right? Why aren't you going at the pace of everybody else in the world? So same thing, like just the first start, you're tired? It's okay. You're struggling? It's okay. Instead of like you, peace of whatever. Why are you struggling with that? You know, I didn't ever say that to anyone. I would never say that out loud. But the tape inside, you know, is so quick to go to that inner critic. And then the other one is, someone said, when your inner critic comes up, make them a nice cup of tea, have them sit aside, maybe thank them, like, I get it, you're trying to take care of me and thank you. And I'm just gonna keep going about my day. So the two of them have a way of playing together that idea of like, don't throw the second dirty yourself. And we all have an inner critic, is there a way we can just you know, set them down, let them be happy doing a wordle or spending their energy doing something else. And then we can go on and kind of live with that same way that you just put your hand on your heart, offer a little bit of grace, and that breath and then it's okay, again, you're normal for suffering. It means that you're human and you feel and you see I mean, look at this world who's not suffering You know, if you're not suffering, there's something wrong with you. Right. So the ones that are feeling and thinking and want to heal others and take care of others are going to be the ones who are bearing the brunt of the burden. So I think that can help to like, it's just and we used to say this and substance abuse, the people who come to us and need help are generally the sensitive ones who feel so deeply that it's almost too much to keep seeing and sensing. And so they put a little barrier between them, and what they feel and see in the sense and the rest of the world. And so that barriers, whatever they would pick up. And so our job is to remind them, it's okay to be sensitive and to feel. And to even, you know, part of them were anticipating what was next because they were so good at anticipating

Tara Beckett: 25:51

there's a little connection happening for me about gratitude. And then what you just said, which is when I was experiencing extreme suicidality, right? I sometimes received see back of your life is so good. What, what is it? Tell me what it is. And through therapy, which I love, they're like, it just gives me such insight to what I how I function, why I function. But what I came to understand was, I'm an artist, I'm an empath. And it was because of everything that had come up in my life in the present. And because I had unboxed a lot from the past, it was this flood of feelings I couldn't handle all at once. And so I saw escape, right? I was like, remove me from pain. I can't, I can't. And so I think there's a lot of my work is about sitting, right, like sitting with that emotion. And like you said, put an arm around. Yeah, that girl or that woman that it was too much for and just say it was too much for you. It still is. So sit with me. And we'll let it pass. And rather than run, you know, and look, look to run, but to be honest, I still want to run there's still days that I'm like, get me out.

Unknown: 27:15

Yeah, absolutely. And it feels like we're crawling out of our own skin, or it feels like we don't even have skin, you know, those two things, I feel like I feel and see a lot. And you're right, everybody else's, like your life is great looking you and from the outside is so different than being on the inside. And so I think that's what we try and get to in the gratitude adjustment. And in the self compassion, meditation challenge and all the things, it's easy to look at somebody and say, Oh, look at you, everything's so beautiful in the background of that screen that I see. Whereas when you hear their voice, and when you unite through what we experience, it doesn't matter what we have, or what it looks like. That internal space is where we can connect and realize that suffering is universal. And so we can hold each other until there's room to be able to hold ourselves. And sometimes letting it shine outward is so much easier, right? Like we're learning, it's easy to look at our kids and be like You are wonderful and perfect and always loved. And then when we go to lay our head on the pillow, instead of replaying the things we didn't do well that day, you know, hopefully, we have that same mantra that runs through. And that's where we also encourage a little bit of gratitude practice when the head is when our heads are on the pillow. And we're quick to go to the places where we didn't measure up to some invisible yardstick. That's when we say, so nice to have that warm cup of coffee, that hot shower, my neighbor, the bus driver, the teacher, whoever it was right there, because I would have missed it. If I was just looking at what I did or didn't do. So just constantly having a space where all the things when it comes down to it don't matter so much. But that internal space that I'm cultivating is what will sustain me, you know, and kind of one of the things that losing my mom did for me it was also helped me to look at what's really important. And that's also where the gratitude adjustment came from is like what's really important and what do we need as humans as we progress and keep going to those places where when we say goodbye? How's it gonna feel and what's it gonna look like? And I think Buddhists use death in a different way than you know, we do they they look at it in a way of recognizing impermanence and having a space to remember, you know, this is where we are now. That is where we'll be and so what's the in between for us and can it help us live lives that feel steady and grounded in the time that we have here? Yesterday, I had a pretty challenging It's all the things of like, Am I doing it right? Is this ever going to be what I want it to be? And so I felt like maybe there was a moment where you said, maybe there's something that's dying, maybe there's some image of perfection or a need for something is just passing away, and can I feel it and let it go. Instead of feeling like a moth to the flame, sometimes when it feels like this suffering, sometimes I feel like I go toward it more. And it becomes that thing that, you know, attracts me and I won't let it go. And I keep being pulled to it instead of like, Oh, it's just the process of transformation. You know, that butterfly when it thinks it's gonna die, and everything is over, or the caterpillar, and then it becomes. So I think you're right, there's a lot to learn in that idea of maybe we're just shedding something. And the experience that you went through is confronting all the things that we're probably told that we're not allowed to feel or look at or experience, and how can we go right toward that and get the support that we need. So that something within us, you know, the perfection, burns away, and there's room to really be genuine and real in the messiness of life. And I think that we sometimes get sold this idea of change and transformation being lovely and wonderful. And you know, I think in the yoga industry, it gets Miss packaged. And I think that I try really hard not to call transforming transformation, this wonderfully beautiful, like, it's awkward, it's messy, it's challenging death, that feeling of something dying before it's reborn is really hard. And so I think one of the things that we can do in all of this is remind people like, yes, it's gonna feel like you're walking through the fire. But you can really sit next to those feelings, and let them be felt and let them change if they do, right. If there's always a little bit of sadness, that's okay, too, because I think that's what keeps us connected. And when somebody says, Oh, I lost my mom, or I'm going through a really challenging time, what we've gone through is what allows us to really just hold them and not have to fill the space with like, Oh, it'll get better. Oh, it's meant to be, you know, some short thing. You know, you just hold them, probably without saying anything more, maybe it's like, tell me about, tell me about your mom, she must have been amazing rain. And so that even gets me choked up, because there's something about learning about what they lost and keeping it alive, just enough to sustain them too. Yes.

Tara Beckett: 32:40

Tell me about your mom, she must have been an amazing person.

Unknown: 32:45

Thank you, she was incredible. It's one of those things, when you become a mom, that it's you realize how much they actually do and hold. So I think I'm just like, I think there was a lot of time where I was super grateful, because she would swoop in and like save and help save the day. And now I'm just realizing how much they actually hold, right how much we hold. And just having some room and some gratitude for all of those kind of invisible hands that keep us going. So now I definitely feel like her spirit is so strong, and guides me to be surrounded with other really powerful women. So I'm her youngest, which means and my sister was really just a strong force as well, a lot like my mom. And I was quick to just go along with the program, you know, I'll be in the backseat, tell me when to be there, you know, and I'm still sort of like that in my friendships a little bit like, Oh, I'll tell me when to get ready. And you drive. I'll go wherever you want to go. And so I think she's surrounded me with some people that are like her strong and able to take the reins and help me out and guide me. And then she's also left me with her fear side of when something feels like I need to speak up or get in there create, I'm able to do that, too. So yeah, I feel like we're lucky to find each other, you know, other women on this path that can see us and hold us and support us. And I feel grateful that we've had the guides that we had, and they're never really gone. Right. I think we always have those things and those people kind of coursing through us and guiding us in really lovely almost invisible ways.

Tara Beckett: 34:36

Thank you so much, Larry. Thank you. It's a pleasure.

Unknown: 34:38

Always.

Tara Beckett: 34:39

We'll be together soon. Yes, in the studio or otherwise. Yes.

Unknown: 34:44

That sounds great. Yeah, I know you have some great plans for future guests. So I'm going to be listening closely following along and happy to jump in anytime in the near future. Okay, thank you. All right. You perfect perfect