The Thrill of The Air, With Commerical Pilot and Flight Instructor, Alicia Hunt

In this episode, I sit down with Alicia Hunt, a Commercial Pilot and Flight Instructor. Before becoming a pilot, Alicia had a 13 year career in film, commercial work and theatre in Los Angeles. Alicia found she could never stop looking for her next gig and never turn off her phone and risk missing a call from her agent. She burnt out and planned a trip to Asia with her best friend. But the trip didn’t rejuvenate Alicia, it confirmed her life needed to shift. She says, “I thought I would come back refreshed. And instead, I got back and felt a natural point of separation. It was a natural point to change my life. I was ready to find my next step.”

Alicia knew she needed something hands on and very “boots on the ground”. Alicia thrives on high intensity situations and those around her offered suggestions such as becoming a surgeon, a 911 operator or a police officer. There was a very consistent theme.

Alicia enlisted the help of a career counselor, and she provided some blunt analysis: “Alicia, you are a complex person. There will be no perfect fit for you. Whichever career you choose, you will be leaving large parts of yourself at the door.” During this time, Alicia heard of the pilot shortage— that there weren’t enough people to fly planes, let alone women and people of color. Through twists and turns along the way, Alicia got herself into the sky and now teaches others how to fly. Alicia works to recruit women to the field and mentors both women and people of color to secure scholarships for flight school.

Alicia, like other pilots, is critical of her landings. Asking herself these questions helps her to remember, perfect is not the goal: “Did you bend any metal? Did anybody get hurt? Did anybody die? No? Then it was a good landing.” For Alicia, being imperfect is part of the job.

Highlights from Alicia:

"I took a train all the way across China from the eastern edge of it all the way to the edge of Tibet, and made a lot of stops in between. It was incredible. And when I finished the trip, I thought I would come back and feel refreshed, it was the vacation of a lifetime. And instead, I got back and I was at a natural point of separation. It was a natural point of being ready to change my life. I was ready to find my next step."

"One of the things I knew I wanted out of a new career is I wanted something high demand. I was really tired of being in a market that was saturated. And where I knew I had so much to give in that field. But so did everyone else. And I was tired of constantly pushing and pushing and pushing to look for work."

"One of my favorite things about acting is how you must be present. You can't be anywhere else. You have to be completely immersed in your character in the moment and the scene and the dialogue. And it's the exact same when you're flying a plane. You can not be distracted with anything else. You need to be listening to air traffic control. You need to be ready to deliver your own line which is coming up soon. You know your traffic control talks then you talk and it's a script. Let me tell you, if you can do Shakespeare you can sure as heck can do air traffic control."

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Transcript

Tara Beckett: 0:23

Hi, I'm Tara Beckett and welcome back to let perfect burn my guest today is Alicia Hunt, a commercial pilot and flight instructor. Before Alicia aviation career, she had a 13 year career in film, commercial work and Theatre in Los Angeles. After over a decade of work, Alicia was completely burnt out from never taking a vacation for fear of missing her agents call. On a whim, she went to Asia with her best friend. Her friend got on the return flight home, Alicia did not. After returning from her almost three month adventure, Alicia expected to feel rejuvenated. But she wasn't. It confirmed it was time to make a change. Alicia knew she needed something high pressure boots on the ground type of work. When she heard there was a pilot shortage, especially for women and people of color. Alicia started figuring out how to get herself into the sky. Hi, everybody, I'm Tara Beckett, and welcome back to let perfect burn. in studio today is Alicia hunt a commercial pilot. And Alicia when you told me about all of the certifications that you had, I was like, Ooh, I need a crash course. So can you talk to me about what defines you and who you are as far as being a pilot?

Alicia Hunt: 2:08

Absolutely, yes. So thank you so much for having me on. It's really just a pleasure to be here. And yes, I know that the the world of being a pilot can seem a little bit mysterious. And it's pretty simple. What I do I teach people how to fly planes. That's it, I just I teach people who are who have absolutely zero experience in most cases. And I take them from no knowledge of planes whatsoever to licensed as a commercial pilot, all the way from the very first flight all the way through a full commercial rating. And so when they come off the street, they don't necessarily know anything. And by the time they're done with me, they can fly through clouds without being able to see outside. Wow. It's a lot of fun. It's really pretty great. And I do this for the American Airlines Cadet Academy. And I'm also licensed as a UK instructor and in Denmark, oh, I didn't see coming in my career at all. So currently, I've been working with a whole lot of European airline pilots in the making. As a it's so much fun. It's something I never ever saw coming in my life. I didn't view being a pilot someday as a kid, you know, it never occurred to me to go be a pilot.

Tara Beckett: 3:39

Now, now, we just need to know what your journey was to get there. So rewind us back a little bit and take us to this point now as a pilot.

Alicia Hunt: 3:50

Absolutely. I, like so many people out there just needed to follow my artists hearts. And I went off and was so, so blessed and fortunate to get a 13 year career as an actor and a director. And occasionally I would produce things and I did a lot of arts education. And I am so blessed that I got 13 full years of that in my life. Because I needed it. I needed to be in the arts. And I still need it actually I still need it. However, after 13 years, I realized that I had never taken a vacation in that entire time. I realized I'd been on even when I was on you know a weekend vacation or even a full week or something like that. I was on call all the time. And I had to be able to answer my phone I had to be able to drop everything and go audition for something or drop everything and go show up for a shoot or something like that. It's just I've never really felt like my time was my own and at all I always felt like there was more I needed to be doing. In order to advance my career, no matter what I was working on, you could be working on your favorite project ever. And I always felt like I needed to be doing more to find the next job and to continue to advance. So I got this chance to go to China, and I took it. And I knew I wouldn't have another project for several months, my next lined up project are several months away. So I have this kind of crazy idea in the back of my head, my friend had to be back at work 10 days, you know, she works a regular nine to five, she was like, I have to get back to everything. But I was looking at my schedule and saying, Okay, if I had an interesting experience over there, I'm just not going to come back. I'm just not gonna get on my return flight. And I'm just going to trek across Asia for as long as I feel like trekking across Asia. And that is precisely what happened I got there, I 10 days was not even close to enough time to see everything I wanted to see. And I spent almost three months over there, traveling solo through and went to Malaysia and Singapore and Hong Kong and all over China took a train all the way across China from one edge of it the eastern edge of it all the way to the edge of Tibet, and made a lot of stops in between and went to Thailand and went to Laos and all these places. And amazing. It was incredible. And when I finished the trip, I thought I would come back and feel refreshed and feel like okay, I'm energized that was you know, the vacation of a lifetime. And I'm ready to go. And instead, I got back and I was at a natural point of separation. I was a natural point of, I'm ready to change my life, I'm ready to find my next step. And there was absolutely no part of me that wanted to go back to Los Angeles and get right back into the grind and do everything I was doing before there was just no part of me that wanted to do that. Which was a surprise to me, that was a complete surprise to me. So I honored that feeling inside of me and went, Okay, it's time for the next thing. And I didn't know what the next thing would be. But I knew I wanted to take the time to really find the right thing, something that was very aligned with how I wanted to live a substantial portion of my life, you know, and so it took almost two years to find to commit to my next career move, and it took that much time to find it. Honestly, I think if you told me at the beginning that it would take two years to find it, I would have, I would have freaked me out big time. But that's not how it went. You just take it day by day, and go on to the very next step. And I'm so glad that I took that much time to find my next step because it led me to aviation. So during that time of transition, I went back and got to be with my family who I missed and lived really far away from for a long time. I worked on several passion projects, I helped found a theatre company, I did some of my favorite projects I've ever worked on, which made no money, they made no money at all. Those are the best ones. They weren't great, beautiful, amazing projects, and also health insurance was never going to be an option. And so it was very fulfilling and also quite confirming that the work I really wanted to be doing did not have to take the form of my paycheck of my career. And that in terms of going to work 40 hours a week, I needed to adjust what that looked like for myself. And so I saw a career counselor who was amazing and who walked me through a really detailed process of sort of digging into what is a good fit for me and I wouldn't I in addition to this, I was job shadowing anyone who had any sort of interesting job. I was like, Can I go to work with you? Can I see what you do? And I I just stepped in and everyone said yes, people love showing what they do you know, and so I got to see all these from a project manager to to a 911 operator and a lot of stuff in between. And so that was there eye opening, seeing all these different jobs that seemed interesting to me, it seemed like it might be a good fit. And when I was working with the career counselor, two major things happened. One, she asked all the people that know me really well, to come up with a list of five jobs that they think I'd be good at. And it was really fascinating seeing

Tara Beckett: 10:25

this feels like a party game with

Alicia Hunt: 10:28

let me tell you, when your therapist tells you that you should be a cop, you know that you got an interesting life. So I decided not to become a police officer. But I did notice there was a consistent theme. And that was very hands on very boots on the ground doing things. Often very high intensity situations, people were like, oh, you should be a surgeon, or you should be a 911 operator, or you should be a cop or something like that. There was a theme. And my brother put the word pilot on his list. He himself has his pilot's certificate, he doesn't do it professionally. But he you know, he loves planes, like so many boys do. He grew up loving planes. And he was like, Oh, I know a little bit about planes. I think you'd be good at this. And it really stood out to me, I will honestly, first of all, I don't even know how to do that. I didn't, it actually didn't stand out to me. At first, it sounded fascinating. But it didn't seem realistic. I didn't know what it takes to get into aviation or anything like that. And it just, it didn't seem far fetched to me to go be a professional pilot. So I kind of dismissed it. And then the other major thing that happened while working with that career counselor is she took a deep dive into sort of my personality, and my favorite way to work, and probably my favorite projects I've ever worked on what were the common themes and what was the work environment like? And she, she took a real good deep look at it. And she went, Oh, Alisa, you're a complex person. She's said, and I quote, There is no perfect fit for you. Ah, whichever career you choose, you will be leaving large parts of yourself at the door. So you need to decide which parts are the most important in terms of your professional life, in terms of your goals, for your finances, your goals for your day to day lifestyle, your goals for having a family or something like that. Think big picture here. Because no matter which career you go into, yes, some are a better fit than others for sure. But there is no perfect fit for you. So let's prioritize what's most important to you. And that was a revelation to me hearing that and accepting that, oh, there is no perfect fit. I, I just need to prioritize the things that align with my values and my long term goals and put that together and then go for it. And so one of the things I knew I wanted out of a new career is I wanted something high demand. I was really tired of being in a market that was saturated. And where I knew I had so much to give in that field. But so did everyone else. Yes. And it was very, very saturated. And I was tired of constantly pushing and pushing and pushing to look for work. Because it made even when you did them really amazing projects. You were constantly looking for the next one. Yeah. And so it was almost it made it difficult to sit back and rest in that and enjoy the projects you were working on. Because you also had to do the other half of your job of finding your next project. And that was wearing on me it was absolutely wearing on me. So I knew I wanted to be in a very high demand position. And then I heard about the pilot shortage. And that majorly tipped the scales got it once I heard there was there's not enough people and especially not enough women to go fly the planes I said wow, fly the planes that's so you know, I started looking into how to do it and I look back now and go wow, that was what was I thinking? Flight School is daunting. It's hard. or I will say, it's not as hard as a fine arts degree.

Tara Beckett: 15:06

I got one of those two girls a little tired.

Alicia Hunt: 15:10

was really interesting. The three years I spent in flight school were had different challenges. But I will say the fine arts degree was harder than flight school.

Tara Beckett: 15:21

So you ready, then?

Alicia Hunt: 15:23

I was ready. I was absolutely ready. And it sounds like the kind of transition that doesn't make a lot of sense. Because what could be the what possible overlap? Could there be between flying planes? And working in arts and entertainment? There's, it just seems like there could not possibly be overlap there. But when I think back of, I think back on how much work it was to get through the Fine Arts degrees that I got, and then I walked into flight school was like, Oh, I got this, I can do you know, and that was just one of many, many, many ways that I've found incredible overlap between my first career and what I'm doing now. So it's, it's not as random as it seems. I never would have put those two together.

Tara Beckett: 16:10

Yeah. I mean, I, as soon as you kind of drop that, I want to know more. What are some of the other ways that you've just found that you know, your training or your experience, or your passion for what you were doing in your first career just really, almost gave you an edge in your new career?

Alicia Hunt: 16:28

Absolutely, it gave me quite a few edges. So first of all, when you're serving as pilot in command of an aircraft, you have to be able to use your voice, and you have to mean it, you have to be able to command the obviously the aircraft that you're in. But there is a law, there's a federal law, that when you're serving as pilot in command, you are directly responsible for the safety of that flight. And you can deviate from any other law that's written in order to meet the needs of an emergency. So you have to be able to get on the radios with air traffic control, and tell them what's happening when it matters most when lives are on the line. And he that's a level of trust in your voice and trust in your ability to communicate and trust in your ability to not fall apart when things are stressful. Anyone who has ever been on a film set, or in front of a live audience understands, your body is going to tell you you're dying, your body's gonna tell you that, that that's too stressful, and you're gonna die, you're not going to die. But your body tells you that and so you in my previous career, I learned over and over and over again, to manage stress and still do my job. Even when I felt terrified at times. I did that almost on a daily basis at certain points of my career in my previous career. And so, when I got into the cockpit, and they were they're like, Okay, my instructor would reach over in flight school and kill my engine and say, Okay, what are you going to do captain? Oh, shoot it, my body would say we're going to die, we're going to die. Oh, my gosh, I can't do this. I didn't practice enough. I'm not ready. I don't know. Your body just starts to wants to shut down and seize up and you want to freeze and all these sort of things. And I am so practiced at not letting that happen. I am so practiced at breathing deep thinking and getting to work. Middle of a lot of stress. So that's something I've been honing for 13 years. Yeah. And so it was directly correlated as soon as I got in the plane. You know, there's, it's it's exciting to be on a plane and there are moments of stress and moments of serious stress. And I'm just very used to get to work. You know, that's what I do I get to work. One of the other ways I didn't expect to be very prepared for this career. There's the scholarship opportunity that I talked about the CAE Women in Aviation, or women in flight, scholarship opportunity. their very first round of interviews for the scholarship was a video interview. And here I'd been self taping videos and making films and editing things and directing things for years. Yep. So I thought to myself, Wow, okay, well, this one is no problem at all. I get to be in my living room wearing my company's t shirt. doing this, I can definitely do this. So I made it through that first round of interviews. And then subsequent interviews were also recorded. And I was fortunate enough to be awarded a scholarship to go to flight school, which is incredible, it is really, really rare to get that awkward sort of opportunity. And there have been quite a few interviews since then. It's an it's publicity things and sort of being an example of a woman who is helping other women get into aviation and whatnot, it puts you in front of the camera much more than I expected.

Tara Beckett: 20:34

But you're, you're a little bit at home there.

Alicia Hunt: 20:37

I have a little bit of experience there. They asked me to do an interview and, and I'm ready to go. It's very easy to get those pieces together and far less stressful. And so that has that in the interview process for scholarships, I would imagine that gave me an edge. And, and even just since then, to be able to communicate about what it's like to be a woman in aviation. It's just handy because people want to know, people are very curious what it's like being a pilot, and it's really fun to talk about. So I'm lucky that at least I feel comfortable doing that.

Tara Beckett: 21:23

What piece of advice, would you give another woman who is interested in going into this field?

Alicia Hunt: 21:31

Start now. Don't wait. The sooner you get started on this, the better it's going to be. The seniority is how everything is calculated in pilot life. So the sooner you join a company, the better your lifestyle becomes, the more senior you you're more senior you are in terms of choosing where you live, choosing what sort of schedule, you fly, everything like that. What types of planes you fly. So the sooner you get into it, the better position you're in, and the door is very open right now for new pilots. So for most of our life, it's taken people about 15 years to upgrade from first officer to a captain, you have to pay your dues. And it's going to be a 15 year grind as a first officer. Right now at the airlines. It's taking two years. Wow, from first officer to captain. Wow. So get started. Yeah, how do you get started, it doesn't work like a traditional university degree. In most cases. There are airports everywhere, small municipal airports, a city airports, things like that smaller airports all over the country. No matter where you live, you probably live relatively close to one, just hop on Google and Google Flight School, and you will find a flight school nearby. And what you got to do is you got to march down to that flight school say, hey, I'm interested in maybe becoming a pilot, I'd like to go on a discovery flight. And you do a one hour flight with an instructor which you can log in your logbook as an hour that you flew and we're receiving training. And you just get to see what it's like to be up in an airplane and they show you the basics of how to fly it. So you actually get to be hands on and manipulate the controls and and you get to do a tiny bit of flying during discovery flight, which Wow, it's pretty incredible. And you just get to see is it right for you. So that's step one. And then for any woman joining aviation, step two is going to be find your supporters find people who are completely on board for this, the biggest barrier that people run into getting through flight flight training is paying for it. Because the upfront cost can be exorbitant depending on where you go. It can if you do things economically it can it cost about $50,000 to get through flight school. If you go to an all inclusive package, deal type school, that's fast track, it'll get you through in allegedly 12 months, that's going to be closer to 100 grand. Wow. So it kind of depends where you go to school for it. In most cases, I recommend you find a very experienced instructor who is just operating independently and get lessons from them one on one, almost all flight training is one on one. So having a really good instructor is the most important thing. So if I had to start all over again before the scholarship and all of that I would have gone down to my local flight school and found a very experienced instructor and said, Hey, I'm in business. I want to fly three times a week and I want to get through this and find someone who is says yes, I've got the time and availability to do that. Let's make it happen. And I And then start studying, studying, you know, it's a lot of studying and a lot of flying. And in terms of paying for it, I always described it as building a bridge, as I was walking over,

Tara Beckett: 25:15

oh, wow, yeah,

Alicia Hunt: 25:17

I had no idea how it's gonna pay for flight school. I had absolutely no idea how I was gonna, I got a little bit of savings, which flying is expensive. So savings ran out pretty darn quick. Yeah, I worked a job while I was in my initial primary training. And every I moved in with my amazing sister who let me move in with her to save money and whatnot. So that cut my expenses. And I won a small scholarship that made a tiny dent. But the much bigger thing that did was it opened up incredible resources in terms of mentors, and people who were able to kind of shine the light in the right direction and help me on my path. Because High School is tough, it's challenging. And you're gonna need people in your corner who say, I believe in you, you can do this. Yeah. And you do have what it takes, because at some point along the way, just about everyone I've ever talked to, and what I see with my students to just about everyone, at some point says, oh, gosh, do I have what it takes to do this? And so you're going to need your supporters to be in your corner and say, yes, yes, go go go. And, and then I could probably just recommend, just make some recommendations on how to win scholarships. Because I'm so lucky, I have this incredible sister who taught me how to win scholarships. I had no idea how to win a scholarship. I didn't, I had no idea how to even successfully apply for a scholarship. And one of my sisters just paid for most of college that way. And she obviously had it all figured out. So I said, How did you do that. And she taught me how. And so I, I get a lot of pleasure out of teaching other people how to do that, too, you know, and sort of showing what makes for winning scholarship application, because there's a lot of a lot of people who want to bring women into aviation. And there's some big scholarships out there to help women join to help people of color join also, because as you can imagine, aviation is largely white. Yes, the numbers are very, very similar for people of color as they are for women. So I'm really, really excited about helping people succeed in scholarship applications. And I feel lucky to do that, because I've done fairly well with scholarships. So my big suggestion there is, make sure you write a good essay, and have set, find the best writer, you know, and have them look over the scholarship essay that you've written. And craft a narrative that talks not about how much you love lying, because everyone loves lying. Everyone loves it, and so it's fine. But if you talk more about what you've accomplished, you know, even if it's I moved in with my sister to save money. Great. That looks amazing to a scholarship committee. You know, I took a second job to be working towards my private pilot's certificate. Great to just tell them everything you done. Yeah. And everything that you've done to give back, Join your local Women in Aviation international chapter, and start giving back or the 90 nines and other women's pilots organization and start serving in that community. Because even if you don't have any money, you have something to give, you can form study groups. And you know, I was a tutor for quite a long time. And so I gave free tutoring to people who were like two steps behind me in the process. Yep. gave that away, you know, and volunteered that people were giving away scholarships like to choose people who are giving, you know, in some sort of way, so find a way to give back.

Tara Beckett: 29:12

Because you're an actor, I feel like you could really describe this for us, but could you describe being in the cockpit?

Alicia Hunt: 29:19

It's awesome. It's so much fun. One of my favorite things about acting is how you must be present. You can't be anywhere else. You have to be completely immersed in your character in the moment and the scene and the dialogue. And it's the exact same when you're flying a plane. You can not be distracted with anything else. You need to be listening to air traffic control. You need to be ready to deliver your own line which is coming up soon. You know your traffic control talks that you talk and it's a script. Let me tell you if you can do Shakespeare you can sure as heck do air traffic control Congress It's so much easier script than some of the other ones out there. So what it's like in the cockpit, it's very focused and not something I really like about it. You're constantly scanning for traffic, especially where I fly. There's a lot of planes up here. And what a lot of people don't know, this is less true for airliners airliners are more on a freeway in the sky. But when you're in small aircraft in your training, there's kind of no roads, going where they want to go. And so you were personally responsible to see and avoid any other aircraft. So you have a few tools on board to do that. But mostly, you need to keep your eyes outside, see other planes and not run into? Wow, yeah. So you can't be distracted, you can't be thinking about other concerns or things like that, you got to be on your game. And I've always liked that about flying, it's very focused. And, oh, man, it's just such a great view up there, I just can't believe my office view, I can't believe it's such an incredible view, every single time I go up there I go, Wow, I can't believe I get to do this, you know, just to get to see cities. And I flew over the Grand Canyon a few weeks ago. And I'd never been to the Grand Canyon, and I was there I was. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm flying over the Grand Canyon, you know, and it was just just amazing the views that you get up there. And I also really appreciate that there's a whole structure in place in terms of high stress scenarios or emergency scenarios, there's a complete structure in place, there is the pilot in command who's going to fly the aircraft. And if you have another pilot on board, they're going to be doing all the radio calls, they're gonna be doing all the navigation, they're going to be doing everything, running checklists, doing everything you need to do in these either emergencies or just high workload scenarios. And so you get to work together. And there, it's collaborative, a lot. Like when I was working on film, and theater, it's incredibly collaborative, you have to trust your team, you have to communicate well, with your team, you can't really do it without your team, you know. And even if you're the only pilot on board, air traffic control is your team. You know, so it's, I would take special pleasure from that I really, really enjoy the harmony of working with other pilots and working with air traffic control. And just every single time I touched down safely on the ground, like, Oh, this is amazing. I did it. You know, and it's just, it gives you this boost of excitement, basically, every time you know, yeah,

Tara Beckett: 32:43

a little bit of a rush there.

Alicia Hunt: 32:46

Absolutely.

Tara Beckett: 32:57

Before we end, I would just loved for you to speak of what let perfect burn means for you.

Alicia Hunt: 33:06

I absolutely love that you've got a podcast is dedicated to just tearing down the concept of doing things perfectly, especially as women. We are just so indoctrinated to do everything perfectly. And I am absolutely no exception to that rule. I just want to get everything right all the time. And I'm so hard on myself when I don't you know, and it's been such a long process of learning to be kind to myself, when things don't go perfectly. And to sort of let that what I don't even know where that image comes from. Where are you this perfect idea of how everything's you could perfectly all the time, what has anything gone perfectly?

Tara Beckett: 33:50

I don't know. I don't know. So

Alicia Hunt: 33:52

I just really appreciate that you're holding these conversations about, about learning, the continuing process of letting the perfectionism just sort of melt away from our expectations and, and to be kind to ourselves when we when we are hard on ourselves about it, you know. So I mean, I'm in a field right now, where you would think being super type A and getting everything perfect and perfectly landing the plane and perfectly doing the checklist. It would be a high priority. And in a way it is you do have to run the checklist. You do have to cross your t's and dot your i's that does have to happen. And every pilot I know has to know how to say well, that landing wasn't the best landing I've ever done, but I didn't know what to do now in the future. And to not beat yourself up so much. You know, we say in aviation you know, did you want to let go because every pilot I know beat themselves up about landings and you know you A great landing. They don't think it's a great way better and better, you know. And so we sometimes remind ourselves, okay, what was it? What did you bend any metal? Did anybody get? Did anybody get hurt? Did anybody die? No. Then it was a good landing. Yeah, there's some truth to that. There's an absolute choose to that, you know, we didn't bend metal. We didn't kill anyone. We didn't even hurt anyone. We're all still here. It's a good landing. And that just rings very true to me in a lot of ways. So thank you for getting the whole dedicating a whole podcast.

Tara Beckett: 35:36

You're welcome. And I mean, I'm just selfish with the whole thing and that I get to listen to all of your stories. I mean, every day I'm like, yes, yes. Yes, we've got something go and let's keep going. Well, Alicia, I would love to be in your plane someday. Yeah, how to make that happen. But until then, take care and thank you so much for being on. Thank you, Tara. Perfect